Posts by LanceSnider

felt_tips said
Hi Lance,

I’ve read the articles and I’d just like to clarify a couple of specifics – as a Videohive author.

First example. If I have an After Effects project file that’s selling well that uses an Audio Jungle track, I could boost the value of that file by buying an extended licence for the music track and selling it bundled with the After Effects project. The project is suddenly $10 better value, it would only take 4 extra sales to make back the cost of the Extended Licence. That’s a no-brainer. (from a practical point of view).

A sound effect is used exactly like this in one of the specific examples mentioned in the articles, so I guess it’s allowed. The music is not technically “incorporated” into the project, however. It is simply a linked asset and needs to be included “as is” as part of the download – a standalone if you like. It doesn’t need to be extracted or anything clever like that. It’s more like a bundle.

If this is all allowed and if I do this (I’m not sure I necessarily want to, but hypothetically) do I have to credit the author or could I sell it as my own work? (I always would credit the author, but I’m interested to learn how far this can go)

For myself, I like the idea of buying an Extended Licence for an AJ track and bundling it with my project download. It’s beneficial to me. But I have a nagging doubt at the back of my mind about whether this is morally right.

Second example. Someone buys a Videohive project from me… It’s a logo sting After Effects project. They import this project into another “bigger” After Effects project and sell it on Videohive. How about that? And let’s even take this example further: Let’s say I have a project that I made that has placeholders / text etc. and I have another, aesthetically similar logo sting project… in fact, just for the sake of argument, let’s assume I’m also an Audio Jungle author and that I have a completely separate item on AJ, which is a music track. Can someone buy an extended licence for my placeholder project, my logo project, my audio track, bolt them together in 10 minutes and sell it as a bigger project? Or is the crucial point that the format has to change… an After Effects project cannot be used in another After Effects project. If someone does do the above, then if I later choose to bolt my own items together into the same bigger project, do I run the risk of having it rejected, because it’s too similar to an already existent item?

My problem is that I often work out quite complex code for automating procedures in my projects. This is hard work. I want to be able to sell extended, so my work can be used on DVD releases etc. but I’d rather people didn’t just buy my projects, change the music track, colors, typeface and feel that they can legitimately sell it as their own. I would also object to projects being dismantled and asset (whether code, animations, designs) being broken out and used in other template projects. Once again, it feels that there are a lot of grey areas and that the licence is potentially legitimising something that doesn’t feel right. It’s open to abuse.

Neither of the examples you just mentioned would be allowed. Again, we want to give the buyers flexibility, but not at the expense of the authors. If you read the license, you’ll see that it specifically prohibits breaking out pieces of a file to use in another file. For example, you couldn’t buy an HTML theme and sell the button graphics on GR.

I hope that helps. Let me know if you have any other questions.

soundengine said
Hi, lately there was a difference of opinion among audiojungle authors about laying out vocals on a track and reselling it.

As far as i understand, now it’s tied to the author’s permission. So if you want to lay out vocals on a track, first you need to get permission from the author and then you can sell your finished track ONLY on envato marketplaces, NOT itunes, etc. Is this right?

Can we have a little more clarification on this?

You are correct. They could not just add vocals and say that it’s been modified enough. That would be a limited repurposing. Also, I’m pretty sure iTunes wouldn’t allow that anyway.

ThemeFusion said
In addition to my last post, would they need to get my permission to put it in an application or web service? I’m very curious as to what they are using it for and where I guess thats not something we’re suppose to know, unless its a template they are selling here, which would mean they would need to ask permission.

Nope, they wouldn’t need to ask to put it in an application or web service. That’s just one of the more normal uses of the EL. As for knowing what they’re using the item for, no, that’s not something we require of our buyers. Luckily, most of them use our licenses properly and the rest are easy to spot.

Sorry this has taken so long to respond to. Based on your questions we made some clarifications and changes to the licenses themselves. Be sure to check out the notes post for more details. If you have comments or questions, please ask them in the associated forum threads. Thanks! http://notes.envato.com/general/extended-license-changes-part-1/

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Kopyov said
Not a word about admin templates. 2 of 5 presale questions are about an extended license usage, we asked you before to change license terms for admin themes, to create a developer license or at least to clarify applications usage. Why was that ignored? And what about prices for E.L.? I remember there were some thoughts about lower prices

Yeah, I was also excited to read the new licence and was so disappointed, that there was nothing about Admin Templates. I’ll refer to this thread.

Admin templates weren’t purposefully ignored. They fall into the same category as everything else. They are at the top of the ‘chain’, meaning they couldn’t be used within someone elses template without permission from the author.

But the main question is the number of applications. It’s a backend, # of applications should be bigger as for me

I’m sorry, I may not be understanding fully. Can you give me an example?

Sorry Lance for misunderstanding.

The first line in extended license terms:

Your use of the Work is limited to a single application.

I got so many questions about this, like “We want to use an admin theme in 2 applications, which have the same database, but different domains (servers, designs, CMS etc.). Do we need to buy 2 extended licenses?” I even tried to contact support with the same question, but the answer was “We can’t provide you more detailed information, contact your local lawer or something like that”. So my reply to the buyer was “I DON ”T KNOW , marketplace support can’t help me with this issue”. I understand when WP theme is limited to 1 website, but backend stuff is different – different software types, versions, domains, online/offline, web/standalone applications, free/paid apps etc. And i can’t find any detailed information, even support can’t help. So what information should we provide to the buyers?

To be honest, I’m not sure. I’ll ask Chaman, the company lawyer.

e8j1osla said

Thecodingdude said
What’s the point of these changes when it still confuses people? You need to have licences written in simple plain English, then you can have all the legal jargon behind the scenes. Feel as if you need to be a lawyer to understand them

I pretty much agree with Thecodingdude, i think every marketplace and its individual categories should have a detailed but simple examples of “do” and “do not” like. you can do this but you cannot do that. if you do this you need to do that.

Do not modify this and that and sell it as your own.

Do modify this and use it for your personal use only.

If you do this then we will screw your ass.

ThemeFusion said
I’ve got an important question … someone just bought an extended license PSD item of mine. I already have the Wordpress version on Themeforest so I assume the intention would be to code it into a HTML template and resell it.

If they are intending to create an HTML template out of it, don’t they have to ask my permission first? In this case I’d be saying no for a few reasons. So you can see that I’m curious as to why this person bought the extended license, I have not heard from anyone yet. I assume that would be something they would ask before putting up the large cash amount.

What else could they be intending to do with it?

Yep, you’re correct. They’d definitely need to ask your permission first if they planned to put it in a template. They could be using it for an application they plan to sell. It could also be a template for a web service such as WPMU .

Maybe i’m getting a wrong perspective, but, for example, allowing someone to buy an extended license on AudioJungle (around 40$) and be able to upload the same item on AJ with just a few retouches makes absolutely nonsense. But it makes if we consider a html template on TF to implement in on one framework. That’s what i’m talking about.

That was just the first change in an effort to make them better. We’re working on making them better fit the individual marketplaces as well as making them more clear.

Sorry this has taken so long to respond to. Based on your questions we made some clarifications and changes to the licenses themselves. Be sure to check out the notes post for more details. If you have comments or questions, please ask them in the associated forum threads. Thanks! http://notes.envato.com/general/extended-license-changes-part-1/

pezflash said
Hi Lance. Apart from the whole clarifications, just to know, is there any plan to separate (somehow) the licensing system for each marketplace?

You mean so you could opt into extended on AD, but opt out on CC or something? No, no plans right now. Most people get around this with a 2nd account. I’ll bring it up to the devs to see how difficult something like this may be.